Several negotiators were concerned about the impact of the proposed language on an institution’s Internet-based activities.  Negotiators asserted that the HEA permits advertising and marketing activities by a third party, as long as payment to the third party is based on those who “click” and is not based on the number of individuals who enroll.  The Department agrees and does not believe that the proposed regulatory language would prohibit such click-through payments.

Please explain to me how CPC makes more sense than cpl, other than with non-internet (call center) leads.  Anyone who can manage an efficient CPL program can just as easily manage a successful CPC program.  Still don’t see why internet driven CPL is being called into question especially for the lead provider who have zero interaction with the prospect who sought out, then filled out the lead form for the school.

To access the complete 500+ page doc Click: 

http://www.ed.gov/news/student-aid-rules-protect-borrowers-and-taxpayers

then click on the link in box on right: notice of proposed rulemaking.

With the 505+ page document the government put out many are still scratching their heads.  Many comments are whirling as people speed read the proposed rules. 

Click: http://www.ed.gov/news/student-aid-rules-protect-borrowers-and-taxpayers

to visit the page then look for the box on the right with the link to the document notice of proposed rulemaking.

Education.  In their opinion the gainful employment rule is expected to be excluded from next

week’s education proposal.   The article outlines that the Office of Management and Budget

included a note in the Federal Register concluding that the DOE’s proposed program integrity

rules could have a major economic impact, a designation that would require the DOE to

strengthen the evidence necessary to justify the need for the regulation.  Furthermore, the article mentions

that the designation is believed to be a major reason why the DOE has (according to reports

from several sources Thursday, though unconfirmed by department officials directly) decided

to omit the gainful employment proposal from the proposed regulations expected to be

released next week.  This if the outcome follows the assumption will bring smiles to many of the faces I saw at last

weeks CCA.  Lets hope!

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Clearly there were some negative comments made from former employees of a few schools, but overall the segment appeared not completely biased.  What is clear is the necessity and role the for-profit play in helping America again reach the goal of being the nation with the highest college graduation rate.  For-profits spend much more on marketing and utilize more aggressive admissions tactics, but clearly it is what’s needed to gain the attention and help drive the decision to go to college for a growing sector of the population which are not well suited to traditional institutions. 

Other than a few bad employees, some questionable tuition cost benefit equations at a few institutions and some programs of questionable value,  the industry as a whole is providing a beneficial service to the under-served segment of our population. 

I would hope that what comes out of the Govt. sessions addresses only the problems specifically and helps pave way to increased growth opportunity for the majority of the quality institutions.  Using a machete instead of a pair of pruning sheers would be a huge mistake, which would backfire on the educational goals we all share…

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• That lead generators don’t contact/interact with the student prospects
• The the entire process is driven by the prospective student choosing and requesting
• That non-profits buy data on people who aren’t aware and the directly market them
• That the vendors are not in any way involved in the enrollment process
• That the education directories provide a valuable free service for prospective students
• That the lead generators have created much more outreach promoting education

Schools seem to think that if lead gen CPL has to either go away or change that CPC cost per click will remain…that doesn’t make any sense to me as ultimately the value of a click can be identified by conversions just as the value of a lead.  However, many mention that Google CPC is different as they set the price.  Other schools feel that placement fees/clotting fee will become the new normal. 

What do you think?

I have heard most if not all of the arguments & viewpoints against the way for-profit schools market.  I have heard all of the name calling, the comparison to the subprime lenders, the predatory marketing tactics, the hundreds of millions being spent by schools and the deceptive/ misleading advertising practices.  For an uneducated or ill-informed individual,  it’s easy to see how some jump on the bandwagon.  However, let us not forget that whenever one listens to only one side of a story or argument it’s easy to fall into alignment.  What bothers me, in addition to the one-sided arguments being made, is the complete lack of thinking things thru.  The fact that some elected officials are too quick to make changes, many simply for change sake, is just news-bite governing.    When did we all of a sudden decide to switch to a fast break style government?  When did ready fire aim become the best practices promoted by some leaders within the department of education.  Is it really reform if the changes that result backfire on the ultimate goal?    Why don’t people think things thru anymore?  What about the ripple effects caused by these aggressive proposed changes?  I thought one of our top goals as a country was to increase the percentage of Americans with a college degree?  Shouldn’t government work to improve the advancement opportunities for those who need it most.  I am all for closing any firm or firms who are systematically practicing & promoting non-compliance, fraud or deception, I am not however in favor or thoughtless knee jerk decision making that effects an entire industry.

 I was a Political Science Major and a logic minor in college.  Talk about an internal conflict within one’s own education…  It’s sad that in today’s screwed up political climate it seems like an either/ or equation, do I want to be in politics or do I want to be a logical person!

How is it that schools spending large sums of money on advertising are determined to be doing something bad?  What about the reinforcement value of the “go to college”  messaging, the education awareness they generate, and the outreach into areas not targeted by tradition schools?

 Why is it bad for lead providers to provide prospective education seekers with non-incentivized compliance approved forms for individuals to request information directly from schools who want to talk to them about potentially becoming a student.  Isn’t that a value?  

 It’s Interesting that you never hear about the positive aspects resulting from the unprecedented awareness created from the influx of educational advertising over the last decade. 

Here is one:

Recent Pew research center study:

 The most detailed study to date of the 18- to 29-year-old Millennial generation finds this group probably will be the most educated in American history. But the 50 million Millennials also have the highest share who are unemployed or out of the workforce in almost four decades, according to the study, released today by the Pew Research Center.

Pew’s analysis includes its own data, such as a new survey of 2,020 adults, including 830 Millennials, conducted by landline and cell phone last month. It also analyzes data from other sources, such as the Census, which shows 40% of those 18-24 were in college in 2008, a higher percentage than any previous generation at those ages.

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So if you are a misguided politician you read the above excerpt and say: 

See those for profit schools are suckering more people to go to college than ever before, and if those people weren’t suckered into getting a degree they would not have any student loans…  Also, what good is a degree, look at their graduates, they are unemployed…

I would argue that obtaining a college degree is not ever a bad idea!  I would also argue that they are unemployed because of the current economic debacle we are currently facing. 

A logical person however may read the same excerpt and say:  

Wow, I am glad to see the increase in college educated people within the most recent generation, hey maybe it’s because of all the increased awareness resulting from the influx of advertising to those people over the last decade or maybe from the outreach from the proactive colleges.  It’s unfortunate to see so many of them unemployed, but then again over 10% of our country is unemployed, the economy sucks.    

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