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		<title>EDU PE conference packed &amp; mood optimistic !</title>
		<link>http://www.forprofitedu.com/2012/01/edu-pe-conference-packed-mood-optimistic/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EDU Guy</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Education Industry Events]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2012/01/edu-pe-conference-packed-mood-optimistic/' addthis:title='EDU PE conference packed &#38; mood optimistic ! ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>Yesterdays Capital Round Table conference for PE investing in EDU was a full house.  It was good to see some many of the industry&#8217;s players together in one room discussing current issues &#38; trends facing Education.  In addition, Anthony Miller Deputy Secretary and Chief Operating officer at the U.S. Department of Education was there to answer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2012/01/edu-pe-conference-packed-mood-optimistic/' addthis:title='EDU PE conference packed &amp; mood optimistic ! ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p><a href="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2012.jpg" rel='nofollow'><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1512" title="2012" src="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2012.jpg" alt="" width="269" height="187" /></a>Yesterdays Capital Round Table conference for PE investing in EDU was a full house.  It was good to see some many of the industry&#8217;s players together in one room discussing current issues &amp; trends facing Education.  In addition, Anthony Miller D<em>eputy</em> Secretary and Chief Operating officer at the U.S. <em>Department of Education </em>was there to answer questions regarding current and pending legislation.  Tony was refreshingly honest when he said the the Department understands and acknowledges that for profit education providers are critical to reach America&#8217;s goal of education attainment.  He praised the continued innovation provided by the industry and welcomes more of the same.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">2012 Issues to remember:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>The Change</strong></p>
<div>
<ul>
<li>A change in the President will result in a new DOE</li>
<li>A change in the Senate will result in a new head of the Senate Sub-Committee</li>
</ul>
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<div><strong>The Result</strong></div>
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<ul>
<li>A favorable shift in regulations will lift the entire industry</li>
</ul>
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<div><strong>The Caution</strong></div>
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<ul>
<li>The momentum to outcomes is already underway and will not change.  Broadly, this is good for the industry</li>
</ul>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong><em>MOST Important The three rules &#8211; #1 Student Success, #2 Student Success, #3 Student Success</em></strong></p>
<p>Long-term strong demographics and demand create a solid base for growth</p>
<p>Regulatory changes are largely complete in post-secondary while valuations remain at historic lows</p>
<p>Dramatic changes in traditional schools are underway</p>
<p>Real opportunities exist to build world-class companies</p>
<p>Great outcomes=Great businesses</p>
<p>The next conference for PE in EDU I believe is in June or July, it&#8217;s worthwhile to attend!</p>
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		<title>Career Education gets slammed, CEO resigns</title>
		<link>http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/11/career-education-gets-slammed-ceo-resigns/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EDU Guy</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Education Investing]]></category>
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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.forprofitedu.com/?p=1456</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/11/career-education-gets-slammed-ceo-resigns/' addthis:title='Career Education gets slammed, CEO resigns ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>Shares of Career Education Corp plunged 42 percent to their lowest in more than 10 years on Wednesday, a day after its chief executive resigned amid findings of improper placement practices, and increased accreditation risks. The company also reported disappointing quarterly results 10 days ahead of schedule and said the decline in new student sign-ups [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/11/career-education-gets-slammed-ceo-resigns/' addthis:title='Career Education gets slammed, CEO resigns ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p><a href="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/career-education.bmp" rel='nofollow'><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1457" title="career education corporation" src="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/career-education.bmp" alt="CECO" /></a>Shares of Career Education Corp  plunged 42 percent to their lowest in more than 10 years on Wednesday, a day  after its chief executive resigned amid findings of improper placement  practices, and increased accreditation risks.</p>
<p>The company also reported disappointing quarterly results 10 days ahead of  schedule and said the decline in new student sign-ups will not improve in the  near term.</p>
<p>At least two brokerages downgraded the stock to their lowest rating citing  too many near-term risks.</p>
<p>FORCED EXIT?</p>
<p>Though the company did not tie the placement discrepancies to McCullough&#8217;s  departure, analysts say he was kicked out for that very issue.</p>
<p>&#8220;The compliance issues were probably the main driver behind the CEO  resignation,&#8221; analyst Dobell said. &#8220;An issue with compliance and honesty,  particularly given McCullough&#8217;s background, was probably more than the board was  willing to tolerate and more than McCullough was willing to stand for.&#8221;</p>
<p>McCullough was well respected and credited for cleaning up Career Education&#8217;s  reputation and streamlining its operations, according to Robert W Baird analyst  Amy Junker.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Is For Profit Education Dead?</title>
		<link>http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/09/for-profit-education-dead/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EDU Guy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/09/for-profit-education-dead/' addthis:title='Is For Profit Education Dead? ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>New article by Michael Clifford on significant Ventures Some would say that the for-profit postsecondary sector is on its last legs&#8230; DOA. Capitalism.&#8221; He calls this framework for success his Four Gospels of Higher Education: Fifteen publicly traded education companies have seen their stocks decline by 33% on average since December 2009 versus a 5% [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/09/for-profit-education-dead/' addthis:title='Is For Profit Education Dead? ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p><a href="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/rip.jpg" rel='nofollow'><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1417" title="is for profit education dead" src="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/rip.jpg" alt="for profit education dead?" width="236" height="214" /></a></p>
<p>New article by Michael Clifford on significant Ventures</p>
<p>Some would say that the for-profit postsecondary sector is on its  last legs&#8230; DOA. Capitalism.&#8221; He calls this framework for success his Four  Gospels of Higher Education:</p>
<p>Fifteen publicly traded education companies  have seen their stocks decline by 33% on average since December 2009 versus a 5%  increase for the S&amp;P 500. Media accounts abound of allegations regarding  improper practices at publicly traded companies, including marketing  misrepresentation and fraudulent reporting of placement rates. Twenty state  attorneys general are investigating for-profit institutions. No other sector has  been as demonized as the for-profit sector has among state and federal  politicians over the past several years.</p>
<p>to read the article in its entirety: http://significantfederation.com/eblast/2011.09.14/landing/</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>A call with an industry short fund</title>
		<link>http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/08/a-call-with-an-industry-short-fund/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EDU Guy</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Education Investing]]></category>
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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.forprofitedu.com/?p=1388</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/08/a-call-with-an-industry-short-fund/' addthis:title='A call with an industry short fund ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>&#160; Last week we spent some time on the phone with a well-known industry short fund.  We discussed the industry as a whole, as well as specific issues facing the industry which were behind their premise that shorting the industry was a good play for the next few years. Topics such as gainful employment, new [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/08/a-call-with-an-industry-short-fund/' addthis:title='A call with an industry short fund ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p>Last week we spent some time on the phone with a well-known industry short fund.  We discussed the industry as a whole, as well as specific issues facing the industry which were behind their premise that shorting the industry was a good play for the next few years. Topics such as gainful employment, new compensation rules, default rates and the power of non-profit brands extending into the online education were the main points.  Gainful employment in conjunction with 90/10 is in our opinion a biased illogical political move to hinder the growth of one industry segment for profit schools to the benefit of another nonprofit schools.  If the rule is sound &amp; logical, why wouldn’t it</p>
<p>be industry wide, the answer is clear, it’s not a well thought out rule.  If the traditional colleges had to live within gainful employment you would see far fewer lawyers, doctors, economists, political scientists (maybe that’s a good thing) philosophers, literary scholars, teachers, artists, theorists etc.  Who’s going to fill the entry level positions?  Aren’t they stepping stones?  We guess they will be filled by graduates of traditional colleges with English, Liberal Arts &amp; Art history degrees whose $200,000+ education clearly provided them with such a solid and relevant foundation.  Default rates, well they need to be managed, schools need to ensure that the engagement &amp; value their student receive from the education provided them is compelling.  We need to utilize assessment to make sure students enter program they have real interest and a likelihood of success in.  And we need to screen for and provide the remedial assistance necessary for students to be able to be successful in their education.  Will the industry be able to manage them successfully, YES.  As for the value of brands, this is a topic which has been discussed for many years.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>We all know a brand is valuable.  We all know having a brand is a huge advantage and can significantly reduce the marketing costs of student recruitment.  But the big caveat is “can”.  Most traditional colleges significantly lack the admissions infrastructure and wiliness to adapt as necessary to be competitive to succeed in the fast paced world of online  education.  The partnerships between traditional colleges and for profit enterprises have proven that they can work and achieve fast growth, but those are still few in number.  The real questions is when will we see an influx of these partnerships, and how much of an effect will they have on the for-profit EDU industry&gt;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Case study &#8220;all out WAR&#8221; in Media Coverage of For-Profit Higher Education</title>
		<link>http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/07/case-study-all-out-war-in-media-coverage-of-for-profit-higher-education/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EDU Guy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/07/case-study-all-out-war-in-media-coverage-of-for-profit-higher-education/' addthis:title='Case study &#8220;all out WAR&#8221; in Media Coverage of For-Profit Higher Education ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>You should check out the new study by Sage that goes into detail about the all out war in media coverage against the for profit education industry.  Utilizing various methods of analysis the study shows that clearly there was a tipping point in the negative media coverage relating to the for-profit education sector starting in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/07/case-study-all-out-war-in-media-coverage-of-for-profit-higher-education/' addthis:title='Case study &#8220;all out WAR&#8221; in Media Coverage of For-Profit Higher Education ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p><a href="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/media-war.jpg" rel='nofollow'><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1368" title="media-war for profit education" src="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/media-war.jpg" alt="for profit education media war" width="325" height="244" /></a></p>
<p>You should check out the new study by Sage that goes into detail about the all out war in media coverage against the for profit education industry.  Utilizing various methods of analysis the study shows that clearly there was a tipping point in the negative media coverage relating to the for-profit education sector starting in May 2010.  Some again wonder who was behind this media push (short sellers or democrats seeking headline media attention), others simply shake their heads at the jadedness of many of the media outlets, and how news once known as unbiased coverage is now political rhetoric.  Which ever way you fall on this it&#8217;s clear that the media is hush hush about all of the positives while they stand on their soap box to scream about anything negative regardless of the accuracy.  It&#8217;s also clear how politics of the democratic party and self interest driven media sound bites clearly have played a role.   Just another reason the average American is being further disenfranchised with the political system and it&#8217;s win at all costs mentality, rather than working to improve the lives of Americans, they all too much focus on what ever helps them gain headlines, soundbites and re-election.</p>
<p>Linke to the study: <a href="http://sgo.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/07/08/2158244011414732.full.pdf+html" rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/sgo.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/07/08/2158244011414732.full.pdf+html?referer=');">http://sgo.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/07/08/2158244011414732.full.pdf+html</a></p>
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		<title>APSCU file a lawsuit against the United States Department of Education regarding its gainful employment regulations</title>
		<link>http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/07/apscu-file-a-lawsuit-against-the-united-states-department-of-education-regarding-its-gainful-employment-regulations/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EDU Guy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/07/apscu-file-a-lawsuit-against-the-united-states-department-of-education-regarding-its-gainful-employment-regulations/' addthis:title='APSCU file a lawsuit against the United States Department of Education regarding its gainful employment regulations ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>&#160; &#160; We like &#38; support the actions &#38; efforts of APSCU &#160; Dear APSCU Members: Today your Board of Directors has authorized the Association to file a lawsuit against the United States Department of Education regarding its gainful employment regulations. Although this lawsuit is fairly complex, the basic contention is that the Department of [...]]]></description>
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<p>We like &amp; support the actions &amp; efforts of APSCU</p>
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<p>Dear APSCU Members:</p>
<p>Today your Board of Directors has authorized the Association to file a lawsuit against the United States Department of Education regarding its gainful employment regulations. Although this lawsuit is fairly complex, the basic contention is that the Department of Education has over-reached its authority on the gainful employment rules, which was not authorized by the Congress of the United States. This lawsuit represents a significant investment of time and money by the Association in order to protect our students and institutions of our membership, but we think that there are critical issues involved which, if left unaddressed, will prove extremely harmful in both the near and long term. We will keep you informed of the progress of this action.</p>
<p>In addition, last Friday the Association appealed the ruling of the district court judge on our prior lawsuit that sought remedies to the recently promulgated state authorization, misrepresentation and incentive compensation regulations. We won a significant victory with the judge&#8217;s overturning of the requirements of online institutions to obtain recognition and licensure in all 50 states. However, the Board, after careful consideration, believes that an appeal of the judge&#8217;s ruling against us in these other areas is important to the members of our Association.</p>
<p>These two legal actions, coupled with our highly active legislative agenda, demonstrate the commitment of the Board to protect our students and institutions from the unfair attacks of self-proclaimed consumer advocate groups, short sellers, trial lawyers, the Department of Education and certain senators. It is important to recognize that this is a long-term battle, a situation in which we need &#8220;all hands on deck,&#8221; and we need your continued participation and involvement to be successful.</p>
<p>Last week the staff sent out an assessment notice that had been approved by the entire membership at our Annual Business Meeting held in Dallas in June. We are aware of the burden that these additional legal expenditures will place on our institutions. However, we feel absolutely committed in the rightness of our struggle against our critics and detractors and the important difference staying the course will mean to our students.</p>
<p>We are making progress, we are getting the word out, we are effectively challenging each and every negative press story, and we will continue to protect our students&#8217; rights to access the higher education institution of their choice.</p>
<p>Respectfully yours,</p>
<p>Arthur Keiser, Ph.D.<br />
Chairman, APSCU Board of Directors</p>
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		<title>Transparency</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/06/transparency/' addthis:title='Transparency ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>With all that&#8217;s going on with regards to compliance and schools taking more and more time to be selective in who they work with, will aggregators eventually give in to transparency?  This topic is one of many heated discussions.  I have been to multiple edu marketing  panels with the who&#8217;s who of the major edu [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/06/transparency/' addthis:title='Transparency ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p><a href="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/transparency.bmp" rel='nofollow'><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1337" title="transparency" src="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/transparency.bmp" alt="transparency in lead generation" /></a>With all that&#8217;s going on with regards to compliance and schools taking more and more time to be selective in who they work with, will aggregators eventually give in to transparency?  This topic is one of many heated discussions.  I have been to multiple edu marketing  panels with the who&#8217;s who of the major edu aggregators and it seems to be split.  Some of them say that if forced to they will come around and identify all of their sources, others however refuse to and say they will never disclose every source for their leads.  They believe their lead quality speaks for itself and don&#8217;t believe transparency is necessary.   Well these firmare very protective of their sources and they do not want to be open for cannibalization, but if there is some type of vendor protection why can&#8217;t there be complete transparency.  Some believe its because of the use of call center generated leads which continue to be tossed into the pile of Internet generated leads for many of the lead providers both at the top and bottom of the food chain.  I think schools have the right to know where the leads are comming from PROVIDED they protect the lead sources from their vendors, non-circumvention, non-disclosure etc should help provide this protection.  Many of the most astute schools will agree to this in order to get the transparency they want.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Private Equity Investing in Education Companies Conference</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/06/private-equity-investing-in-education-companies-conference/' addthis:title='Private Equity Investing in Education Companies Conference ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>ForProfitEDU would like to extend an exclusive invitation to you to attend The Capital Roundtable’s conference on Private Equity Investing in Education Companies, being held on Thursday, July 21 in New York City. As a partner, we have the privilege to put your name on our VIP list, allowing you to register for a special [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/06/private-equity-investing-in-education-companies-conference/' addthis:title='Private Equity Investing in Education Companies Conference ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p><a href="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/investing-in-education.bmp" rel='nofollow'><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1330" title="investing in education" src="http://www.forprofitedu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/investing-in-education.bmp" alt="" width="221" height="146" /></a>ForProfitEDU would like to extend an exclusive invitation to you to attend The Capital Roundtable’s conference on <strong>Private Equity Investing in Education Companies, </strong>being held on Thursday, July 21 in New York City.</p>
<p>As a partner, we have the privilege to put your name on our VIP list, allowing you to register for a special rate of $995 &#8212; $400 off the standard registration price.</p>
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<p>This day-long conference is being chaired by Daniel Black, Managing Partner at Wicks Group of Companies, and features 20 experts<strong>.</strong></p>
<p>For registration or inquiries, just call Shaina Mardinly at 212-832-7333 ext. 0, or email her at <a title="mailto:smardinly@capitalroundtable.com" href="mailto:smardinly@capitalroundtable.com" rel='nofollow'>smardinly@capitalroundtable.com</a>.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Please be sure to mention our name</span>.</p>
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<p>For more details, click here:</p>
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I hope to see you on July 21 for what promises to be a great day.</p>
<p>P.S. Since we expect this conference to attract a strong attendance, please register as soon as possible to reserve your seat.</p>
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		<title>New Republican challenge GAO Report on For-Profit Colleges</title>
		<link>http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/01/new-republican-challenge-gao-report-on-for-profit-colleges/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>EDU Guy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/01/new-republican-challenge-gao-report-on-for-profit-colleges/' addthis:title='New Republican challenge GAO Report on For-Profit Colleges ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>With the start of the new year, Republicans are taking aim at the GAO reports accuracy.  It&#8217;s clear that the report provided a jaded view fueled by partisan politics.  We all agree that the bad apples need to be either removed or reformed, but by no means should we throw the baby out with the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2011/01/new-republican-challenge-gao-report-on-for-profit-colleges/' addthis:title='New Republican challenge GAO Report on For-Profit Colleges ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p>With the start of the new year, Republicans are taking aim at the GAO reports accuracy.  It&#8217;s clear that the report provided a jaded view fueled by partisan politics.  We all agree that the bad apples need to be either removed or reformed, but by no means should we throw the baby out with the bath water. </p>
<p>Here is a link to the Chronicles article: <a href="http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/new-republican-leaders-take-aim-at-gao-report-on-for-profit-colleges/29330?sid=at&amp;utm_source=at&amp;utm_medium=en" rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/new-republican-leaders-take-aim-at-gao-report-on-for-profit-colleges/29330?sid=at_amp_utm_source=at_amp_utm_medium=en&amp;referer=');">http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/new-republican-leaders-take-aim-at-gao-report-on-for-profit-colleges/29330?sid=at&amp;utm_source=at&amp;utm_medium=en</a></p>
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		<title>Debate on Gainful employment from the linkedin group on forprofit education</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2010/10/debate-on-gainful-employment-from-the-linkedin-group-on-forprofit-education/' addthis:title='Debate on Gainful employment from the linkedin group on forprofit education ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div> The following are some snipets from the linkedin group on forprofit education:  Here is one company that in my opinion has put their money where their mouth is. Congrats to Corinthian Colleges, Inc. (CCi) for putting on the armor and marching onto the battlefield! We can only impact this with hard work. Thank you for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_32x32_style" addthis:url='http://www.forprofitedu.com/2010/10/debate-on-gainful-employment-from-the-linkedin-group-on-forprofit-education/' addthis:title='Debate on Gainful employment from the linkedin group on forprofit education ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div><p><strong> The following are some snipets from the linkedin group on forprofit education:</strong></p>
<p> Here is one company that in my opinion has put their money where their mouth is. Congrats to Corinthian Colleges, Inc. (CCi) for putting on the armor and marching onto the battlefield!</p>
<p>We can only impact this with hard work. Thank you for the letter (I heard it was 80k, 68k of which argued against).</p>
<div id="commentID_23185638-article"><strong><a title="see Harrison's activity" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&amp;gid=1786509&amp;memberID=20488433" rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=_amp_gid=1786509_amp_memberID=20488433&amp;referer=');"> </a></strong> I admire Corinthian for taking a stand on this discriminatory DOE Gainful Employment ruling. The rhetorical question is why is this not being applied to non-profit colleges and universities also?</p>
<p>The full page ad and quarter page ads that Corinthian placed in last Sunday&#8217;s New York Times (September 19, 2010) should have been paid for by a coalition of for-profit schools. But, my hat is off to Corinthian to have the courage to do what others have not done. Recommend the web-site www.mycareercounts.org to everyone, please.</p></div>
<div id="commentID_23281414-article"><strong><a title="see George's activity" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&amp;gid=1786509&amp;memberID=1502942" rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=_amp_gid=1786509_amp_memberID=1502942&amp;referer=');"> </a></strong>• I agree &#8212; the Corinthian ad appeared in the Seattle Times as well. The fact that seems to get lost in the wash are the tens of thousands of grads who have started successful careers outside the &#8216;traditional&#8217; public and &#8216;not for profit&#8217; systems. Many who could not have been or would not have been successful anywhere else.</div>
<div><strong><a title="see Michael's activity" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&amp;gid=1786509&amp;memberID=9898287" rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=_amp_gid=1786509_amp_memberID=9898287&amp;referer=');"> </a></strong></div>
<div> • Next will be the campaign from CCA&#8230;</div>
<div><strong><a title="see Sally's activity" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&amp;gid=1786509&amp;memberID=6450265" rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=_amp_gid=1786509_amp_memberID=6450265&amp;referer=');"> </a></strong></div>
<div> I certainly think that these policies would have more legs if also applied to the traditionals or &#8220;not-for-profit&#8221;. The reality is that &#8220;not-for-profit&#8221; still profits in many ways that are overlooked. Take a look at the compensation of College Presidents and coaches. Take a look at the money they get both privately and publicly and how it is spent. In times when public universities are cutting classes at the expense of their students, they still continue to raise tuition and give the Regents and presidents large pension packages.</div>
<div><strong><a title="see Dick's activity" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&amp;gid=1786509&amp;memberID=25212463" rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=_amp_gid=1786509_amp_memberID=25212463&amp;referer=');"> </a></strong></div>
<div> • I had also heard that Kaplan University had placed a similar ad. I have not found a good source to view the text of the Corinthian ad or the Kaplan ad. I would appreciate it if one of you would be able to provide a link pointing me to site providing this.</div>
<div><strong><a title="see Michael's activity" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&amp;gid=1786509&amp;memberID=9898287" rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=_amp_gid=1786509_amp_memberID=9898287&amp;referer=');"> </a></strong></div>
<div>• Good point,  They also do not contribute tax dollars, something America is quite short on&#8230;</div>
<p> • You need to look at trends on a global basis -and over a long term.<br />
After 40 years in industry, I&#8217;ve noticed that a lot of people worry about where thengs are heading; but inevitably, they end up going somewhere unpredicted&#8230;.and as the decades roll past, this all happens faster &amp; faster.<br />
I decided 10 years ago to cut loose from &#8220;government accredited education&#8221; and make our business of education much simpler&#8230;. provide the best learning experience, charge a reasonable price, take on board students and staff who are like minded, and don&#8217;t worry about the things that keep complicating the rest of the industry. This formula works. Politicians are never light on their feet&#8230;.but small businesses are. Politicians are never going to kill &#8220;for profit education&#8221; &#8230;.they can try, but it is not in their nature to have any capacity to do so.</p>
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 • &#8211; some really smart people said the same thing about the student loan industry as well. Politicians are professional manipulators (starting with the campaign/election process) and socializing sectors like education IS in their nature&#8230;and companies like Sallie Mae would certainly disagree with your assessment of their &#8220;capacity&#8221;. </p>
<p> I appreciate your point of the publics and not-for-profits not being tax paying entities. So true that the for-profits &#8220;re-invest&#8221; into the country&#8217;s tax pool.</li>
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<p>• I think the politicians are influenced heavily by the kings of the non-profit world. For-profits are starting to eat their lunch and they are afraid. They might have to tap their endowments (profits).</p>
<div> •  CCA should have expresed outrage over this months ago. I have no confidence in their ability to speak forcefully for the for-profit industry.</div>
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<div> • I am new to this thread but I find the discussion fascinating.  to your point: how is it feasible that the non-profits are not to be held to similar standards? The criteria for inclusion, as far as I can see, is not whether you are a for-profit educational institution, but whether your students are recipients of financial aid from the Federal Government. Obviously, if I am correct in this, then the &#8220;non-profits&#8221; are clearly to be held accountable to a similar standard. So, if my kid wants to study Latin at the University of Wisconsin, is the DOE going to force the college to explain the potential gainful employment my kid is likely (NOT) to receive as a result of such an education? Are there any public educators out there reviewing this discussion? I would love to see your comments to this along with the group&#8217;s active participants.</div>
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<div> •  &#8211; Public educators are not overly concerned. This is a one-sided attack&#8230;always has been. The attack is designed to help the public educators by eliminating the private sector competition. Public educators know they could never survive were they held to the standards for-profit schools are held to. So they stay out of the battle as they are secure being out of the line of fire. I have YET TO HERE the DOE make a cogent argument as to why these standards only apply to the for-profit sector. Please&#8230;ask them. Maybe they will provide you with an answer.</div>
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 • I have posted the question to the Linked In White House group as well as sending an email directly to: AskArne@ed.gov. I will keep this group posted when a response is received.</p>
<div>• Hi, this attack is geared specifically to the for-profit sector. As far as not being held to the same standards&#8230;For-Profits have a minimum standard for their completion rates, placement rates, and student default rates to maintain our accreditation and ability for Title IV funding. They are also starting to ding us if the student waives placement because they are GAINFULLY EMPLOYED in a field other than what they studied at your institution. How is that fair? The students waives placement and the institution gets dinged on their placement rates. When was the last time you heard publics being held to these standards. BTW, how much placement assistance did your son with his Latin degree receive upon graduation??? And thank you for posting the question to Arne.</div>
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<div> • Have governments got so much money to spare that they have to focus on damaging for profit education; -which in turn will increase their own cost of providing education.</div>
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<p>• They think they can redirect the Title IV money to build a community college system.</p>
<p> • He is right; the administration figures it will take two years to take out the for-profits, so they&#8217;ll be &#8220;stimulating&#8221; the community colleges in the meantime to expand to accomodate the influx of students. Ahhh, more students fot THEM to abuse.</p>
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<div> • Many politicians operate with the notion that the best defense is an offense &#8211; any offense, regardless of how offensive. In my opinion, this attack on for-profit education is not so much an attack on &#8220;for-profit&#8221; as it is a defense to prevent an informed constituency from asking deeper, more meaningful questions about political leadership and education. Those deeper questions might be:<br />
1. Where is our national education agenda?<br />
2. Why is education still considered a local issue when it is so clearly a national issue?<br />
3. Why are we still burning billions of education dollars on local level administration in the non-profit (public) education system when that model is so clearly broken?</p>
<p>And on and on and on.</p></div>
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<div> • Diversity is very important.<br />
I always found as an employer, that the best work team is one made up of people who each have a very different education.<br />
It is wrong to assume that there is one, single, best way of educating people.<br />
Different people learn in different ways.<br />
Everyone has differentr priorities in their lives at different times<br />
Diversity in education breeds innovation in graduates.<br />
All too often though, we try to find a &#8220;single framework&#8221; and exclude everything on the fringes -that is a big mistake if you want your country to continue to develop.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it interesting that big, diverse countries, with less &#8220;national strategies&#8221; like India and China, are growing faster than America and Europe.</p></div>
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• I have received a prompt response from the Department of Education (POSTED BELOW). It raises some of the same questions: </p>
<p>1. Are non-profit (besides community colleges) educational institutions held to the same standards as for-profit institutions? </p>
<p>2. It appears that community colleges will be evaluated on the same playing field according to the response below? Correct? </p>
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<p>Thank you for contacting the United States Department of Education through AskArne@ed.gov. </p>
<p>The Department&#8217;s proposed regulations will hold programs accountable for preparing students for gainful employment and ensure program integrity in higher education. </p>
<p>As proposed, the graduation rate and job placement disclosure rule would require proprietary institutions of higher education and postsecondary vocational institutions to provide prospective students with each eligible program&#8217;s graduation and job placement rates, and that colleges provide the Department with information that will allow determination of student debt levels and incomes after program completion. </p>
<p>As proposed, the approval of additional programs rule would require institutions to provide: 5 year enrollment projections; documentation from employers not affiliated with the institution that the program&#8217;s curriculum aligns with recognized occupations at those employers&#8217; businesses; and that there are projected job vacancies or expected demand for those occupations at those businesses before new programs can become eligible to participate in federal student aid. </p>
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<p>I am new to this thread but I find the discussion fascinating. Sally, to your point: how is it feasible that the non-profits are not to be held to similar standards? The criteria for inclusion, as far as I can see, is not whether you are a for-profit educational institution, but whether your students are recipients of financial aid from the Federal Government. Obviously, if I am correct in this, then the &#8220;non-profits&#8221; are clearly to be held accountable to a similar standard. So, if my kid wants to study Latin at the University of Wisconsin, is the DOE going to force the college to explain the potential gainful employment my kid is likely (NOT) to receive as a result of such an education? Are there any public educators out there reviewing this discussion? I would love to see your comments<br />
to this along with the group&#8217;s active participants. </p>
<p>I was challenged by a member of the group to directly ask our government how such an inequity is possible. I look forward to a response which I will forward to the group. Thank you.</p>
<div> • Well, I finally took the time to find an article on the latest default rates. If you want to know the source, you can find it at </p>
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<p>&#8220;Student loan default rate creeps higher&#8221; </p>
<p>The most important revelation in this article for me is found in this paragraph: </p>
<p>Graduates of public colleges defaulted at a rate of 6%, up from 5.9% a year earlier. Students coming from private schools had a 4% default rate, up from 3.7%. The default rate for borrowers at for-profit schools, however, rose to 11.6% from 11% a year earlier. </p>
<p>OK, people, what gives? Why is the rate of default so much higher for for-profit schools? A demographic group with fewer moms and dads able to help out in tough times?</p></div>
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 • &#8211; at the risk of sounding condescending, if you aren&#8217;t familiar with the different demographics served, you should do some homework. Working adults, unemployed adults, under-employed adults and a high percentage from economically-challenged families vs. 18-22 year old students predominately from middle to upper-middle class homes, and you ask what gives?
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When you preface a comment in such a way, then you can assume the reader understands your intent. I would recommend leaving your emotions and condescensions for the government and just try be a real and honest guy here. Just a thought. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, that is exactly what I assumed the rebuttal to be. As I sent you in an email, is there any rate of default that would shock anyone from this group (people in the for-profit space)? In other words, if the default rate were 50%, would that concern you? At what rate (or rate discrepancy) would we expect/want the DOE to step in? </p>
<p>When do we have another mortgage crisis developing versus when do we have an over-zealous government agency?</p></div>
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<div> • It has been required for many years that for-profit schools manage their default rates to maintain their eligibility to offer Title IV programs and understand that. I think the bigger issue is that often the demographic we serve is high risk. We provide accessibility to education which may not otherwise be available. We teach in a way that allows for our students to learn a practical skill in a short period of time to get an entry-level position in their chosen fields. Hopefully, this will in-turn decrease the dependency on some other public assistance programs while creating a stepping stone to continuing to further their education. </p>
<p>90/10 and gap, I won&#8217;t go any further on this topic but it is worthy of a mention in driving tuition rates. Again, not a standard that the traditionals are held to. </p>
<p>We have so many people who take advantage of social services offered by this country because it is easier and makes more sense for them to stay home and on these services then take the step to get off of them. We have generations of welfare families out there. For-profits are the ones that serve them. We get them in school, hold their hands, and strive very hard to get them not only to graduation but getting them employed. </p>
<p>Another trend that is not sitting well with me is that if a student is employed out of the field and waives placement, we are getting dinged for it; it doesn&#8217;t make any sense. Again, ask many who graduated from a traditional college with a liberal arts degree what they ended up doing with it&#8230;</p></div>
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<div>•  &#8211; apologies for the comment if you feel I WAS being condescending, but I will not leave my &#8220;emotions&#8221; for the government. For people like myself (and various other) who have given upwards of 20 years of my life to this sector of higher education, this is an emotionally charged issue. MY government is unfairly and unduly attacking me and my friends, and threatening rules that would be devastating to this country, especially those financially less fortunate than most. Sorry, but you&#8217;d have to be a droid to not feel emotion on this one.</div>
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<div> • Having attended the APSCU Student Rally and immediately going to Senators Boxer&#8217;s and Feinstein&#8217;s office to discuss this rule, I can tell you it is extremely one-sided. Our initial talking point with staffers, most of which had already decided their recommendations, was to talk about equal treatment. Their response was that it indeed is equal since non-profits and publics have to have the same income-to-debt ratio for their certificate and diploma programs. When I countered with, equal would be for publics and non-profits to be held to the same standard for Associate, Bachelor, Masters and higher; the same as the for-profits are, I was met with silence. The party line was that Congress is held responsible to safeguard the taxpayer&#8217;s investment. I countered with the $220 billion in 2008 that was subsidizing publics and non-profits at both the state and federal levels that not a dime is returned or paid back to the government. Since non-profits make up 10% of higher education, let&#8217;s take 10% of the subsidies and split the $22 billion according to enrollment to bring down the tuition at the for-profits and I&#8217;m sure the debt-to-income ratios would be far greater than our counterparts. I also asked one staffer, why couldn&#8217;t subsidies be based on student need instead of flat across the board. They didn&#8217;t have the answers.</div>
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 • That&#8217;s the problem. Lack of knowledge results in reliance on &#8220;party line&#8221;. This is why I actually laughed out loud when Senators Harkin and Franken suggested that this was not a political issue. </p>
<p>Like so many issues in DC, this is partisan politics at its worst. Hardcore democrats are out to destroy for-profit schools and hardcore republicans are supportive of the for-profit schools. Our need is to influence the others, those who care enough to look at the facts&#8230;those that will consider what is at risk and who is at risk.
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<div><strong><a title="see Jeffrey's activity" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&amp;gid=1786509&amp;memberID=29383384&amp;goback=%2Egmp_1786509" rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' rel='nofollow' onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=_amp_gid=1786509_amp_memberID=29383384_amp_goback=_2Egmp_1786509&amp;referer=');"> </a></strong> • Having worked in career colleges, both FP and NP, and as a graduate of a public university, I continue to find these discussions interesting. I have opined in the past that the NP and FP operated basically the same &#8211; tuition driven, no direct assistance from government, student centric, outcomes of paramount importance to survival. One&#8217;s tax status doesn&#8217;t really matter. </p>
<p>The FPs will be able to meet these requirements and still survive, if only barely. They will eventually be forced to enroll fewer low socio-economic students, primarily minorities and single mothers. Yes, the repayment rates will rise, the default rates will drop, and we will create a permenant underclass that has very little chance to gain any semblence of the so called Amercian Dream. The DOE, media, President Obama, and Arne Duncan need to heed the old adage, &#8220;be careful for what you ask, you just might get it.&#8221;</p></div>
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